We've now reached some really unforgivable levels of dipshittery on the part of Rummy and Co. at the Pentagon. It's becoming increasingly evident they have no idea what the hell is going on in Iraq.
Sunday, the Times of London reports that U.S. military commanders had held secret talks with Iraqi insurgent groups in order to attempt to bring them into the political process. Now, this seems like a pretty reasonable approach -- you have a group of people who are being fanatical assholes, and you have the opportunity to try to convince them to stop acting like same. It was pretty alarming that they were purportedly negotiating with real, bona fide nutjobs like Ansar al-Sunnah, but hey, I'm not on the ground, and if there's a chance of getting them to give up the fight, all the better.
Unsurprisingly, Rumsfeld was asked about this report during his rounds on the Sunday talk shows. In an interview with America's al Jazeera, the exchange with Chris Wallace went like this:
WALLACE: ...Let's start with these reports of these direct meetings between U.S. officials, including allegedly a representative of the Pentagon, and insurgent commanders. Did they happen, and, if so, what did they accomplish?
RUMSFELD: Well, the first thing I would say about the meetings is they go on all the time.
Second, the Iraqis have a sovereign government. They will decide what their relationships with various elements of insurgents will be. We facilitate those from time to time.
And if you think about it, there aren't the good guys and the bad guys over there. There are people all across the spectrum.
There's the government, people who strongly support the government, people that are leaning and not quite sure what to do, people who are leaning the other way and not quite sure what to do, and then insurgents and people who oppose it, which is a mixture: There's the jihadists, there's the Zarqawi group, there are criminals, there's the Sunni Baathists who would like to take back the government.
Meetings take place all the time...
WALLACE: Were there direct meetings with insurgent commanders?
RUMSFELD: Look, my understanding is that some London paper reported this and everyone's chasing it. I would not make a big deal out of it.
Meetings go on frequently with people. The wonderful thing about what's happened since the election is the Shias have said, "Let's reach out to the Sunnis."
The Sunnis made a mistake not participating in the election as fully as they could have. They now know that. They said they've made a mistake. They're leaning in.
The Shia could have said, "Well, you didn't play, you're out." They didn't. They said, "Let's get the Sunnis in. We want to have one country, the Kurds, the Shia, the Sunni."
WALLACE: But let me ask you specifically about these reports. Is there an effort — you talk about this, sort of, spectrum...
RUMSFELD: I can't comment on that.
WALLACE: But let me just ask you about this one specific idea. Is there an effort — you talk about the spectrum of groups — to try split off the homegrown insurgents from the foreign fighters, the Zarqawi group?
RUMSFELD: Well, sure, my goodness, yes. The first thing you want to do is split people off and get some people to be supportive.
The same thing's going on in Afghanistan. President Karzai is reaching out to the Taliban. He doesn't want those that have blood on their hands, but he is reaching out to the lower-level people and saying, "Look, let's have one country."
So I think the attention to this is overblown.
Then Tim Russert got, in response to his query about two alleged meetings, a response from Rumsfeld thus:
RUMSFELD: ...I think there have probably been many more than that...They're not going to try to bring in the people with blood on their hands, for sure, but they certainly are reaching out continuously, and we help to facilitate those from time to time.
MR. RUSSERT: Is that negotiating with terrorists?
SEC'Y RUMSFELD: No, no. Look, look, you've got a situation in Iraq where you've got terrorists over here, you've got Sunni insurgents here, the Ba'athist types, and then you've got people who haven't decided what they're going to do, and then you have people supporting the government. Then you have the government. And the goal is to get people to all move towards the support of the government. And it isn't a matter of negotiating with terrorists. There's no one negotiating with Zarqawi or the people that are out chopping people's heads off.
So, fair enough. We're trying to ply off insurgents who are willing to deal, in order to bring them into the political process, and out of the insurgency. Seems reasonable enough. Only problem is, Rumsfeld doesn't seem to have a goddamn clue what the hell he was talking about:
U.S. forces have not held talks with insurgent leaders involved in attacks in Iraq but may do so soon, the U.S. commander in Iraq said on Monday in remarks that appeared to differ from those of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
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Asked by a reporter whether U.S. forces had met with "known leaders of the insurgency who have been involved directly in attacks against U.S. and Iraqi forces," Army Gen. George Casey said: "Not yet. Not, to the best of my knowledge, yet."
"We may start moving there, but the first thing we want to do is meet with Sunni leaders. And a lot of these folks claim they have leverage over the insurgents that we've yet to see realized, frankly," Casey said.
"Our leaders, down to the divisional and even brigade level, routinely meet with local and tribal leaders. We also continue to meet at the national level with senior Sunni leaders," Casey, standing alongside Rumsfeld, told Monday's Pentagon briefing.
"But, to characterize them as negotiations with insurgents about stopping the insurgency, we're not quite there yet," Casey added, saying they were discussions primarily aimed at bringing these Sunni leaders, and the people they represent, into the political process.
Now, I've been something of a defender of Rumsfeld, and on my own terms, no less. But this is really unforgivable. For a man of Rumsfeld's parsimony, either we were in negotiations with the insurgents, or we weren't. It's pretty simple. And from Rumsfeld's original response, and Casey's rebuttal, it's clear that Rumsfeld doesn't have a bloody clue what his own Defense Department is doing in Iraq.
On a happier note, we can see the continuing dialing back of the administration's rhetoric on what it's going to take to get us the hell out of Iraq:
"Success for the coalition should not be defined as domestic tranquility in Iraq. Other democracies have had to contend with terrorism and insurgencies for a number of years but they have been able to function and eventually succeed," Rumsfeld said.
That kind of rhetoric is indeed a good sign. But really, we're going to get a pep talk tomorrow from these idiots? Give me a break.
Update: The WaPo remembers the Rumsfeld/Casey presser somewhat differently than did Will Dunham:
Gen. George W. Casey Jr., commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, said that his forces have been working to speak with Iraqis from several ethnic and political groups, largely aiming to reach those who say they are connected to the Iraqi insurgency. Casey said there have been no discussions with foreign fighters, including those linked to insurgent leader Abu Musab Zarqawi.
This doesn't really clarify much. Did we meet with the insurgents, or not? Rumsfeld said we did, many times. Casey now says we have been "working to speak with...those who say they are connected to the Iraqi insurgency." Which is it?